Those Shameful Thoughts and What They Really Say about You


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After October 7, some of the harshest voices against Israel were Jewish. The Haggadah saw this coming.
Every year at the Seder, we read about four sons. The Fourth Son is the one who does not know how to ask. He is the one sitting in our universities, our newsrooms, our communal institutions, and sometimes at our own Seder tables.
He is the one my non-Jewish friends ask me about: We expected hostility from the usual places. What we didn't expect was Jews making the case against their own people better than Israel's enemies ever could. Can you explain this?
Their confusion is not political; it’s moral. They struggle to understand how a people forged by persecution could so readily supply the language used to delegitimize their own survival. Jewish students organizing anti-Israel protests. Jewish academics signing letters accusing Israel of genocide. Jewish public figures condemning Jewish power more fiercely than Jewish enemies ever have.
This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is visible, documented, and growing. And it demands an honest explanation.
The Haggadah offers one.
The Fourth Son is traditionally understood as disengaged or uninformed. But in our generation, his condition looks different. He is not empty of Jewish identity. He has fragments of it. He knows he is Jewish. What he lacks is a rudder — an internal framework that allows him to think, question, and interpret the world through a Jewish lens.
He feels Jewish but cannot articulate what that identity stands for. So when pressure comes — social, moral, institutional — he cannot resist it.
He has symbols without substance, memory without meaning, ethics without peoplehood. He feels Jewish but cannot articulate what that identity stands for, what it demands, or how it should shape his judgment when the pressure comes.
So when pressure comes — social, moral, institutional — he cannot resist it. The loudest voices, the strongest consensus, the greatest social rewards end up deciding for him. His Jewishness does not guide his judgment. The world around him reshapes it.
The Fourth Son is rudderless at sea; the strongest waves decide his direction.
Since October 7, the pressure on Jewish identity has been unlike anything most living Jews have experienced. Jewish students have reported feeling compelled to publicly disavow Israel simply to maintain social standing. The price of Jewish particularity — of saying we have a right to exist and defend ourselves as a people — has risen sharply in elite cultural and academic spaces.
For Jews with a strong internal framework, this pressure is uncomfortable but navigable. They can criticize Israeli policy fiercely, hold genuine moral tensions, and still maintain clarity about what Jewish survival requires. Judaism has always welcomed fierce self-critique. The prophets rebuked Israel. The Talmud argues endlessly. Cheshbon hanefesh, honest moral accounting, is a core Jewish practice and strength.
But there is a crucial difference between these two statements:
"We need to do better."
versus
"We are the problem."
The first is moral responsibility, the second is something else. When Jews reserve their harshest judgment for other Jews, adopt the language of those who deny Jewish legitimacy, and treat solidarity with their own people as suspect, critique has crossed into something the German-Jewish philosopher Theodor Lessing identified nearly a century ago: Jewish self-hatred.
In the modern era, Jewish self-rejection has acquired a distinctive voice: "As a Jew…"
"As a Jew, I must condemn…" "Jewish ethics demand we oppose…" "I'm Jewish, and that's why I say Zionism is the problem."
Jewish identity is invoked not to express solidarity, but to legitimize distance from the Jewish people. Jewishness becomes a credential, a way of saying I am not one of those Jews. These statements, eagerly amplified by Israel's enemies, provide cover for accusations that would be recognized as antisemitic if they came from anyone else.
This is not, for the most part, driven by malice. Many of those who speak this way are sincere. They are compassionate people responding to genuine moral pain. But moral reasoning does not develop in a vacuum. When Jewish power is consistently framed as suspect, when Jewish self-defense is treated as uniquely requiring justification, opposition to Jewish sovereignty can begin to feel like ethical clarity rather than adaptation to a hostile moral framework.
What begins as ethical concern can harden, over time, into internalized condemnation not of specific policies or leaders, but of Jewish peoplehood itself.
The Haggadah's response to the Fourth Son is not argument or rebuke. It is an opening.
What this moment asks of us is clarity — knowing who we are, where we come from, what we have carried for three thousand years, and what we are still here to do.
The Haggadah says, “You open for him.” You don't wait for curiosity to emerge. You don't win him back with polemics. You give him language, belonging, and a place inside the story, before the distance hardens into something more permanent.
What this moment asks of us is clarity — knowing who we are, where we come from, what we have carried for three thousand years, and what we are still here to do.
Jewish identity, held clearly and carried with confidence, is not a moral burden to be managed or explained away. It is a moral inheritance to be proud of.
The Fourth Son needs to digest that.
This Passover, open the door.
The ideas in this article are drawn from my forthcoming book, The Fourth Son: Jewish Identity, Self-Hatred, and the Courage to Stand Alone, scheduled for publication at the end of 2026.

I read in my Shabbat reading material that one person can have all 4 characteristics of the sons/ daughters at different times, and some people say there is a 5 son/ daughter that doesn't even come to the seder for some reason, the Chabad organization tried to remedy this fact, after October 7, 2023 the people that were hostages in Gaza appreciate the holiday of freedom which is Passover
Jews have the right to self defense because their enemies are always planning to annihilate them. to my own opinion Jewish is the best culture here on earth . They are always trying to make this world a better place through inventions.
You are right, besides inventions Jews and Israel are involved in other fields , to make the world a better place,if there are G_ d forbid no Jews and no Israel then these important things will not become a reality, the people that were murdered during the Holocaust could of found the cure for cancer too, and maybe other important things to come on the market
Surprisingly given the level of psychology and child development in the modern World you left out that between 15 and 25 is we become our own (wo)man and NOT just our parents' little darling. The Fourth Son - Rasha or Evil - is also the adolescent rebel testing and trying - in both senses - & some people never fully grow up.
In a century of nasty dictators it is worth noticing that their fathers were violent bullies: Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin and Saddam Hussain - in Franco's case coldly indifferent. If one is too rigid and not loving enough, it promotes a bent or hostile variant of trying to do better than one's parents - which we all do about something. This is an aspect of avoiding one's parents' quirks and mistakes, then tripping in one's own pitfalls.
It looks like some Jews don't understand how important the land of Israel is to Jews, if they were my mother( obm) was in Auschwitz-Birneau maybe they would get how important that Jews have their own country, the 6 million that died on Kiddush Hashem would of wanted to have a homeland, before the Nazis ( Y"S) hung the women that tried to blow the camertoria " they mentioned whoever gets out alive go to the land of then Palestine" that was their last wish before their death
In parts of Jewish holy books there is the word Zion mentioned a lot of times, there is even a saying " from zion will come out Torah , and word of G _ d from Jerusalem " another name for Jerusalem is zion, so why do some Jews have a problem with the word zion, how can someone be religious and not a zionist I don't get it, this word is all over the Jewish holy books anyway
because Unfortunately the people you are referring to probably do not know what is in those Holy Books.
I find it sad after the Holocaust there are self hating Jews, during the Holocaust some Jews were Kapos for thecNazis( Y"S), aome of the kapos were sometimes no better than the Nazis ( Y"S), all through Jewish history there is a curse that says" that soms Jews will be our worst enemies " unfortunately this curse is sometimes the case, and these self hating Jews will find a reason why they side with our enemies, but even though they side with our enemies , they still will counted as a Jew according to Jewish history in the past, in Egypt there was a special name for the tag alongside that got the real Israelites in trouble, and misguided the real Israelitex to worship the golden calf, so real Jews/ Israelites should watch out from these self hating Jews,
Herzel was a journalist that went to France to report on the Dreyfuss Affair, Dreyfuss was innocent of spying for Germany and got railroaded because he was a Jew, and ended up on Devil's Island and very dangerous prison, and the real culprit got away Scott free, until someone named Emil Zola wrote J ' accuse, because of the Dreyfuss Affair Herzl said " Jews need their own country which is the land of Israel
Many are simply misinformed as to the history of what conditions were like in the region prior to Israel's founding and the actual nature of the civil war which occurred just before and after the founding.
Personally,I think the Jewish Voices For Peace crowd are the embodiment of the second son;ie,the WICKED son. This is the son who has disassociated himself from his own people-in this case to find favour amongst the gentiles.
Can't we please recognize the nuance in our positions? Can't we be critical of our government's or the Israeli government's actions, without being accused of antisemitism. When someone describe a person as a "self-hating Jew", who is the hater, in fact?
What used to make me proud to identify as Jewish was our judicial traditions. We seemed to understand clearly that everyone's individual rights come into conflict with the individual rights of others. We could have a conversation "we are right, but you are right, too" and move forward from there. Have we thrown that away?
Funny only critical of Israe! look in the mirror maybe you will see a self heating Jew unless you don't recognize what you see. Your are demonstrating your ignorance of your identity as a Jew . Individual right of others? Destruction of Israel. From the river to the sea Globalise intifada, Read the history of pre-warII Jews Who tought like you
I'm always happy to see when someone responds in a way that confirms what I am saying.
First, how dare you attempt to define for me what my identity as a Jew means for me. Where, exactly, is the ignorance?
Second, I would be completely comfortable with my identity as a Jew if not for those Jews who define Jewish identity in a way that is so abrasive to non-Jews, and even many Jews, that I am forced to say "I am not like them".
“…Jews who define Jewish identity in a way that is so abrasive to non-Jews…”
It appears to me you know absolutely nothing about the history of Judaism-Jews.
There is something about human natural that makes people fight against monotheism, G-d’s chosen people and/or the success of Jews.
This hatred that turns into violence is written again and again and again in the history of Judaism and Jews.
If you know this and are a G-d fearing, Torah disciplined Jew, you’re probably getting a bit “abrasive “ with all the antisemitism, blood libels, and violence that’s being committed again Jews everywhere.
I pray you’re not a sitting duck. Thinking you can fit in with the crowd due to the social pressure, you become an easy target.
Why?
Because you’re a Jew.
I am not like you.
If you are unable to read your comment and understand why I would find it offensive or "abrasive", then it is true that "you are the problem". If you think that people pushing back at insults and denigration like this are doing so because you are a Jew, then you are truly blind in your ignorance.
"We need to do better"
So how would you react if Hamas kidnapped your loved one? What should Israel have done to get the 200+ hostages back? To sit tight and say "Pretty please, give us back our loved ones" doesn't cut it in the MidEast. Or probably anywhere. It is just an invitation for them to do Oct. 7th again and again and again.
When someone says he wants to come and kill you, believe him. He does and he will if given a chance.
We used to know the difference between justice and revenge. There are few who deny that Israel was justified in responding to the Oct 7th attack. Is this what Jewish justice looks like?
There are now millions more who want to come and kill you, and with some justification. Escalating conflict should never be glorified.
Your posts are beyond pathetic and so pretentiously self-righteous that they evoke disgust in any truly moral person—Jew or non-Jew.
Nevertheless, I'm sure many feel sorry for you!
Herzl dream was not born in the Shoah it is the fulfillment of “nefesh Yehudi romia” in the heart of Jews for thousand years. The “Jews making the case against their own people” are ignorant of our history, ignorant of the Islamo-fascism, fed by bias media, ignorant of Sharia laws, of the antisemitism of the Coran, of Hamas charter subscribing to a neo-Salafi jihadi theology that violence is permitted by divine decree. As a Jew a leader of the UN operation in Sudan against famine I did no hear their voice, silence! Silence in Syria and many other places. They have become the “moutons de Panurge” followers of the propaganda spread in universities by Iranian and Qatari money
Seems to me he more resembles the evil son number 2 than the one who doesn't know how to ask. Many do ask and find the answers lacking but when one then turns against their Jewish family and supports our enemies thats evil to me. They see themselves as "the good Germans" but I think they are mistaken.
I think that many people (including Jews) don't believe that the Jews really came out Egypt, miraculously crossed the Red Sea, and came into the land that God promised them. To their minds, it is a 'fairytale'.
So, they have no basis to support Israel. To them this is foolishness.
Then many have decided that Israel is just too much trouble and the world would be in peace if they didn't exist.
Some politicians even make those statements.
The REED Sea.
There is much more to the issue. Jews were there for millennia and were oppressed under Muslims, as were Christian, Druse, etc.
Oppressed by Christians before Muslims. Christianity existed before Islam.
Believing Bible as the word of God is hardly the only reason to support Zionism. The majority of the early Zionist leaders and settlers were not religious. Israel has as much or more legitimacy as a Jewish State historically as does any other nation. It seems to me that God's promise to the Jews while motivating and essential to me personally in my decision to live there is icing on the cake as a reason for Israel to exist as the Jewish State,
I can’t tell you how many times I have told younger people that the State of Israel came into being upon the vote of the UN! The residents of the area (Jewish, Muslim, and others) were subjects of the Ottoman Empire (today Turkey) and the Ottomans have plenty to answer for in their treatment of the residents. There was no idyllic “Palestine”, it was a term used by the British to describe the area under British control from WWI to after WWII.
No. There has always been wide support for Israel amongst non-religious Jews and many non-Jewish groups. It is a mistake to narrow the support for Israel to only religious Jews. That would doom the State of Israel.
There is a middle ground which is neither "fairytale" nor "word of God" which could be used to unite Jews of all sorts. Open-mindedness is needed when trying to understand the symbolism and meaning of the stories in the bible.
The generation that was alive during WWII understood the need for a modern state of Israel. My American uncles fought the Nazis (my dad was too young but did serve in Korea.) That generation is mostly gone. I wish more Boomers would speak up while we are still around.
I agree with all this, especially "we need to do better vs we are the problem. This describes my youngest son. Since Oct 7 he sends me two types of videos: those showing settlers or IDF destroying Palestinian property and religious Jews who post to condemn those actions. To me it expresses his frustration at being part of a people who claim to share his values and identity while acting as oppressors. His horror at the murders and hostages is apparently outweighed by his sense of this injustice. I cannot see how to bring this around. The targeted media is obviously one part of the influence, but still, I cant say he's wrong. It makes me sad.
You absolutely can say he's wrong!!! Does your son acknowledge that these people don't recognize Israel's, nor his own, right to exist? Has your son watched videos of October 7th? Has he seen videos of atrocities committed by Hamas, Hezbollah, etc...? Has Israel and the IDF committed atrocities? They certainly have, but we need to keep things in perspective here. Neither side is close to perfect, but one side lives to not only see the destruction of Israel but also the destruction of western civilization. He's viewing the situation through the anti-Israel propaganda lens that has engulfed much of the west.....and we need to do everything possible to counter it.
If there was someone who not only threatened to kill you but tried, what would you do? Give up? Defend yourself? Even kill a person whose primary goal is to kill you first?
Jewish history speaks of this over and over again.
We have a G-d-given right to defend ourselves.
Otherwise, Jews wouldn’t exist and we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
This is all true and important. But..... we have always been like this, as a people, from the beginning, whether within Israelite tribes in Canaan or in the desert, opposing Moses. Perhaps this mutinous hostile internecine quality is the same that allows Jews to acquired superior understanding, as their minds say " no" much more immediately and louder than other, more reverent, yet equally divided people. Shimon Peres spoke of this. I heard him live. This response allows for distinction, intelligence and analysis. Our oppositional legendary character is a double edged sword.
Yes, the idea of answering a question with a question. Teaching our kids how to think, not what to think
G-d loves Zion and will make His Dwelling there. Ultimately, His is the only opinion that matters.
Satan is a vengeful father of lies. The enraged faces of his terrorist followers reveal his presence. Hate brings its own defeat.
I would argue that this is the wicked son speaking. Be that as it may, I find this the most distressing aspect of the anti- semitism that we are witnessing. I have a child who is doing this. Embracing anti-zionism while exploring Jewish tradition and ritual. It is our Jewishness that allows us to see other points of view, but hopefully not at the expense of our own welfare.
Try pointing out how much of Jewish tradition and ritual centers around and emphasizes Zion.
If your child is willing, I recommend the book “Zionism and Anti-Zionism” by Greg Rosenberg.
There are some Jewish sources for anti Zionism but after the holocaust the need for a Jewish State was apparent to most Jews even if many didn't see it linked to geula. Today identifying as anti Zionist as opposed to neutral non Zionist seems to me to make one a fellow traveler with antisemites.
I want to believe the reason for the Holocaust was G-d say “I’ll make you move since you aren’t moving (to Israel) on your own.”
If He hardened Pharoah’s heart (to not let the Jews leave Egypt), He could easily have hardened Hitler’s heart too.
Great article!
Wow! Rabbi Shore said it all perfectly. He wrote a soul-searching essay, and explained easily and within the context of Pesach.
That is exactly right